[tw] : Vignette, Zope, Manila, Conversant, and more

“Vignette, Zope, Manila, Conversant, and more”
From:	Jon Udell	In Response To:	157 Ugly Secrets of Content Management Systems
Date Posted:	Tuesday, July 11, 2000 2:27:54 PM	Replies:	2

Enclosures:	None.

I saw that story too. It reinforces what I've long believed about Vignette. There are a handful of sites on the planet that need that kind of horsepower -- and at that scale, customizing Vignette is unbelievably costly. OTOH once you've bitten the bullet, the results can be good. I *do* know several satisfied Vignette customers.

However, most sites run on a smaller scale. I have successfully used homegrown CMS's for years, based on nothing fancier than Perl, XML, and consistent habits of data management. There's definitely a market for lighter-weight implementations of what Vignette does. Zope, for example, sees a big opportunity there. One of its big strengths is delegation of authority down a tree of objects. Frontier/Manila now does a very nice job of basic news-oriented publication workflow. I don't know much about Conversant yet, but I've seen enough to suggest that it's a capable toolkit for custom CMS and workflow. Every CMS/workflow situation is different, so there's a huge need for customized solutions. That means opportunities in this space for everybody: Zope, Manila, Conversant, and players yet to be named.

Discussion Thread:

The Real Q: Internal or external development? (by Seth Dillingham at 7/11/2000)

Jon Udell wrote >However, most sites run on a smaller scale. I have successfully used >homegrown CMS's
- build or buy? (by Jon Udell at 7/12/2000)
  
  As to build vs buy, it depends on skills, inclinations, and the nature of the site. I run a magazine
  - RE: build or buy? (by Sean McMains at 7/12/2000)
    
    With regard to the build vs. buy question, it seems that the ideal solution would be to do a bit of
  - Sliding Scale: Needs, Features, Extensibility, and Price (by Seth Dillingham at 7/12/2000)
    
    Jon Udell said: >As to build vs buy, it depends on skills, inclinations, and the nature of the >site.
RE: Vignette, Zope, Manila, Conversant, and more (by Brian Carnell at 7/11/2000)

Manila is nice, but it needs a strong feature set. I think it is in the same class as Blogger at the
- Does Conversant Answer Your Question? (by Seth Dillingham at 7/11/2000)
  
  Brian Carnell said: >I know I'm not the only one out there with a site getting 2 to 10 million >page
  - RE: Does Conversant Answer Your Question? (by Brian Carnell at 7/11/2000)
    
    >I know I'm not the only one out there with a site getting 2 to 10 million >page views a year saying
    - Re: Does Conversant Answer Your Question? (by Sean McMains at 7/12/2000)
      
      *** One of the things I don't get is what Andresen means by Conversant being modular. When he starts
    - What do you want to do with your site? (by Seth Dillingham at 7/12/2000)
      
      Brian Carnell said: >>>I know I'm not the only one out there with a site getting 2 to 10 million >>>page

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